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slowerpoke · Dec 19, 2008, 10:42 PM // 22:42

look at last years schedule for how it'll prolly work http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Wintersday_2007

Cale Roughstar · Dec 19, 2008, 10:47 PM // 22:47

Ty for the link. But 2 PM PST on saturday? Ewwwwwww.....

Bitoku Kishi · Dec 23, 2008, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight

Me and a friend both farmed this quest for like 10 hours each. Throughout the last event and no drop. But I know it's all based on luck and what not. I would just prefer they keep the droprate but leave the quest open all year long. Being able to only farm it for like a week around christmas time is kind of stupid.

Agreed. They need to either keep the drop rate and have it available all the time, like mini Mallyx... or increase the droprate and keep it a Wintersday-only drop, like the mini pig. I don't think anyone would have been too disappointed about the mini pig if it hadn't been given out along with the hats, and had stayed as a drop out of those gift bags like it seemed originally in the first Canthan New Year Festival. In that case, if you wanted a pig, you really just had to put in about 3-4 hours of work to pretty much be guaranteed to have one as a random drop.

This is what I don't understand though. They put that mini pig in as a drop (also a unique gold mini), that was WAY easier to get than the bear, and then for some reason they thought "this isn't enough, we need to give people more of them", and added them into the hat festival as well. The Polar bear is a ridiculously low drop rate by comparison, and yet they never thought the same thing about giving it away in the hat festival.

I'm just having trouble understanding what the developers' intent was with this thing. Why do they think having it this rare is a good thing? I don't have a problem with it being random, but why is it this rare in addition to also being a (temporary) seasonal item?

Most importantly though, why did they think the players would like it this way? Do they really think this helps to represent or encourage the Christmas spirit somehow? The posts about it here are filled with frustration and disappointment far more than good cheer, and the wiki discussion page on it is nothing but one long tirade of hate.

I can overlook it last year, because it just seemed like a big mess that was probably due to mis-communication within ANet or something. But this year they don't have that excuse, or really any other. They should have seen this coming, and reacted to what was obvious that the player base wants as a whole in regards to it.

Latham · Dec 23, 2008, 10:43 PM // 22:43

Why should we get everything handed out on a plate ? great lets all have the same armor gear tonics and mini's. Or we could have unique items of interest.

Something has to be rare !! Why the hell play a game where every one is the same ?? Durrr, Theres nothing wrong with the way the polar bear drops, Stop qq'ing just because you cant afford one, or suck up your pride just because it didn't drop for you.

Bitoku Kishi · Dec 23, 2008, 10:51 PM // 22:51

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Originally Posted by Xx Monkin xX

Something has to be rare !! Why the hell play a game where every one is the same ?? Durrr, Theres nothing wrong with the way the polar bear drops, Stop qq'ing just because you cant afford one, or suck up your pride just because it didn't drop for you.

How has the polar bear made people be less the same? If there's less than a dozen of them out there, that really doesn't change anything about the general population at all, does it?

And, my opinion aside, it just seems like there are way more people think there is something wrong with this than there are those who don't. Do you think this is accurate? And if so, can you explain why?

Eragon Selene · Dec 23, 2008, 10:56 PM // 22:56

I agree with Monkin, what makes a mini polar bear so speacial is............IT VERY RARE!!!

I have farmed this thing for way more then 10 hours, I dont do it JUST for the mini polar bear. If your are, your retarted. The chances of it dropping are like winning the Loto.

I do the farm for all the CC Shards and Wintersday chest items. This is a good week long event to stock up on items for titles or make some extra cash. If you get a min Bear BONUS!!

If the mini polar bear was as comon as the mini pig.........no one would want it.

Better yet...........lets make the Mini Kanaxai, Ghostly, Vishu, Panda, Island Guardian, Naga, Yetti, Oni, and all the rest of the very rare mins drop from the Zchest and runi the value of them all.

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Crom The Pale · Dec 23, 2008, 11:03 PM // 23:03

90% of the people that want the mini ( or any rare item for that mater ) only want it so they can sell and become rich, in game that is.

Personally I wouldn't pay any more for the bear than I would for the whiptail!

Shayne Hawke · Dec 23, 2008, 11:04 PM // 23:04

You're all whining over an extremely rare minipet with, as of now, an extremely high price tag. I imagine that the majority of the playerbase is looking to get this mini as a drop just to sell it.

Wouldn't be surprised if the same people started whining later to get the Everlasting Frosty Tonic drop rate increased. I'm also fairly certain that if these items weren't so rare and didn't have such a value, you wouldn't be making such a fuss over it.

Bug John · Dec 23, 2008, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

You're all whining over an extremely rare minipet with, as of now, an extremely high price tag. I imagine that the majority of the playerbase is looking to get this mini as a drop just to sell it.

one person with 5k ectos or 5k persons with one ecto... I don't care

btw, I don't know if the majority would sell it, I wouldn't (just like I didn't sell my beetle)

Tom Swift · Dec 24, 2008, 03:33 AM // 03:33

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Originally Posted by Xx Monkin xX

Why should we get everything handed out on a plate ? great lets all have the same armor gear tonics and mini's. Or we could have unique items of interest.

Something has to be rare !! Why the hell play a game where every one is the same ?? Durrr, Theres nothing wrong with the way the polar bear drops, Stop qq'ing just because you cant afford one, or suck up your pride just because it didn't drop for you.

One way of cheating in a debate is called a "straw man argument" in which you claim the other person is proposing something other than what they are really saying (choosing a premise that is easier to defeat than the actual argument of your opponent) and then arguing against the false premise you created.

This is an example of that tactic here.

People are not upset about the rarity but the extreme at which Anet set it. That is not the same as wanting everything handed to people.

Pariah · Dec 24, 2008, 05:21 AM // 05:21

Tom said it very well.

I agree it should be a rare drop. The problem here is that Anet doesn't understand the difference between rare and arsenine. Rare would be a fun challenge, but this is rapidly making alot of players want to play a different game. Apparently Anet wasn't smart enough to listen to the feedback from last year.

Shayne Hawke · Dec 24, 2008, 05:44 AM // 05:44

Are you saying also that Asian minipets and other such discounted minis should be made available to some rare extent?

Bug John · Dec 24, 2008, 10:53 AM // 10:53

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Are you saying also that Asian minipets and other such discounted minis should be made available to some rare extent?

we're not talking about other minis here...

you really should read Tom's post again

btw, as far as I'm concerned, I'm sick of GW lotteries that give instant 500+ ectos... too many people just see minis as a way to randomly make lots of in game cash

you register on a website, you buy a magasine, and you get a mini visu (or any other rare mini), I really don't think you deserved it, and I think there should be another way, not based on dumb luck, to get one in game

and don't tell me about "in game economy", what you're calling economy is represented here by a bunch of power traders, very loud on these boards, but insignificant in game

and yes, I have a few rare minis, but I don't care about their price as I'll never sell them, I'm just collecting them (even if I'll never pay more than 100 ectos for one)

TheHaxor · Dec 24, 2008, 02:25 PM // 14:25

People bitching about things they can't have, shocking. You aren't entitled to anything by simply being alive. The sooner you find this out the more successful you will be in life.

Wubbies · Dec 24, 2008, 02:36 PM // 14:36

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

People bitching about things they can't have, shocking. You aren't entitled to anything by simply being alive. The sooner you find this out the more successful you will be in life.

I so agree.. i think anet does this so people can just bitch endlessly about it because they know people are gonna get so upset about it. imo anet has a great sense of humor. just imagine them sitting around dreaming of what drama they can unfold to the gw community. then Ralph has an idea about a mini polar bear that barely drops and people do 400 runs and get nothing while some do 20 runs and get one. holy sheep sh*it! well i thinks its hilarious!! doesnt anyone else find the humor in it? just my opinion

Wubbies · Dec 24, 2008, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by Bug John

you register on a website, you buy a magasine, and you get a mini visu (or any other rare mini), I really don't think you deserved it, and I think there should be another way, not based on dumb luck, to get one in game

Are you for real? just curious why you think you can judge and tell people they dont deserve something. i can understand about the magazine promo but what other ways should anet "give" out "deserving" mini's? people that already have lots of $$ deserve it only? dont you believe in being fair even to those people that are new to the game? idk i think its fair to give everyone a chance at something that is unbiased in the way its received. its a game of chance and it drops from a chest that anyone and everyone can farm for. sounds pretty fair. sounds like someone peed in your cheerios imo over a mini.

Bitoku Kishi · Dec 24, 2008, 04:38 PM // 16:38

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Are you saying also that Asian minipets and other such discounted minis should be made available to some rare extent?

I think so.

The only minis I don't have a problem with being extremely rare are the ones like the original Kanaxai and Panda giveaways, that were given out to the tournament winners. Because that's not random, and actually signifies an accomplishment in the game that has nothing to do with dumb luck.

The giving away of minis in Asia just for being one of the first to buy the game (or whatever it was) I don't think is right though. I don't have a problem with giving away a mini with a Collector's Edition of the game, and I don't really have a huge problem with the magazine giveaways (although again, I don't like region bias), because in those cases it's a choice to legitimately spend some real money to get a pet. If ANet offered Polar Bear for some real money in their online shop, I would consider it a similar offer, and that would be fine with me, regardless of however much they wanted to charge for it.

It's just the whole combination of factors that presents a problem with the Polar Bear, rather than any one factor individually. Temporary seasonal item + insanely low random chance of dropping + no alternative non-random way of getting it (aside from buying it from someone) = epic fail.

AceeBlueEagle · Dec 24, 2008, 06:34 PM // 18:34

Just have them give out in the event finale along with the hat like they did the rats. Do I care if they are going for 500-2k each? No.

They are coolness. Change the color of their bells to differentiate from the people who got them from the quest or somesuch.

Not a big deal.

AJD · Dec 24, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

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Originally Posted by Bitoku Kishi

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It's just the whole combination of factors that presents a problem with the Polar Bear, rather than any one factor individually. Temporary seasonal item + insanely low random chance of dropping + no alternative non-random way of getting it (aside from buying it from someone) = epic fail.

Exactly how I feel.

Bug John · Dec 24, 2008, 11:25 PM // 23:25

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Originally Posted by Wubbies

Are you for real? just curious why you think you can judge and tell people they dont deserve something. i can understand about the magazine promo but what other ways should anet "give" out "deserving" mini's? people that already have lots of $$ deserve it only? dont you believe in being fair even to those people that are new to the game? idk i think its fair to give everyone a chance at something that is unbiased in the way its received. its a game of chance and it drops from a chest that anyone and everyone can farm for. sounds pretty fair. sounds like someone peed in your cheerios imo over a mini.

you really don't get my point... I don't give a **** about minis prices, and I think anyone in GW should be able to afford any mini they like (just like any weapon, armor...) if they do what is necessary to get one

for example : mini beetle (would still be better if the multiple top100 entries problem was solved), moa chick, mini mallyx, mini ghostly hero (with a less retarded drop rate), celestial minis

btw, I'm not complaining about getting a mini or not (did a few runs for cc shards, I know I won't get one, and I don't care), I'm upset that Anet introduced another useless thing in game (rarest minipet in game, rofl)

and above all, what pisses me off is :

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Originally Posted by TheHaxor

People bitching about things they can't have, shocking. You aren't entitled to anything by simply being alive. The sooner you find this out the more successful you will be in life.

loudmouths like this one, trying to teach lessons, and completely missing the point of the discussion